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  1. All three batches are the same afaik (the second and third batches both have added vents at the back but that's it). The only difference in this batch from the other LFSs is a three point seat belt for the driver's seat in response to a law that came into effect recently requiring those seat belts for buses.
  2. I'm confused by what you're asking, could you please elaborate? I'm assuming it's for the retirements? If so, it was posted on the CPTDB last night.
  3. Unfortunately, all remaining 77 or so hybrids have now been pulled off the road. I will miss them! The Orion era at OC Transpo has officially ended. These buses had some high and low points which I will discuss below. Firstly, these buses were pleasant to ride. Seats were comfortable, rear doors opened quickly, relatively spacious, and good air conditioning. They sounded great on takeoff and I liked the design (I like the original generation Orion VIIs better), even if it did seem a bit "cheap" to me. I'd say that these looked better than the Inveros. Despite all this, I would perso
  4. Some bad news. ALL remaining hybrids as of August 1 are now parked and won't see service again. This comes from user Enviro_1203 on the CPTDB forum. It is my understanding that they will be transferred to St. Laurent from Merivale and Pinecrest garages for retirement. This marks the end of the Orion era, folks. I'll really miss these buses. Had they been diesel, they would have lasted longer. I recall seeing my very first one in early 2009 and being intrigued as to what that bus was because it was brand new at the time.
  5. Not my observations (this comes from CPTDB): The new double deckers now come with six American Seating BC-55 seats in the priority seating area instead of the older American Seating Vision seats. However, the rest of the seats remain unchanged as far as I know. A minor change, but these new buses have defroster vents for all windows, both top and bottom deck, likely in response to an issue with condensation with 8001-8075 back when they were new. And finally, the new buses come with a second NSAS screen installed on the bottom deck past the staircase.
  6. I suspect that the rebuilt Inveros (which 4202 is not by the way) will last a few more years, possibly at least three (so 2023 or around that range). As for unrebuilt Inveros, I think they'll continue to retire small batches at a time when new buses come in (they haven't been doing much of that since March). I suspect that the entirety of those will be pulled off by late 2021. We have 133 left unrebuilt (and 62 rebuilt units), so if we get another batch of LFSs in the future (it hasn't been talked about yet), then most if not all (excluding rebuilds) will likely retire at that point.
  7. I'm surprised it's down to a small handful this quickly. The Orion era is coming to an end. I still maintain that OC probably should have gone with ISL engines and Allison transmissions... I'll miss them. By the way, for anyone looking for an update on the Inveros, there were 13 more of them retired this year, in March specifically. All credit goes to user Enviro_1203 on the CPTDB forum. To recap, here's the number of Inveros retired from each batch (this comes from the CPTDB wiki): 4201-4202: only 4202 is active 4203-4273: 4204-4207, 4209, 4211-4216, 4219, 4220, 4223-4225,
  8. That would have been 7615. I don't know how much this fishbowl list from 2003 will help (credit goes to user MCIBUS on the CPTDB forum), but here it is anyway: According to this list, there were nine 76xx buses out of 53, 25 77xx buses out of 56, 9 17xx buses out of 12 (although they say 10...), 44 out of 58 78xx buses active, 26 79xx buses out of 30, and all the 80xx buses and up. This means that 44 76xx buses, 31 77xx buses, 14 78xx buses, and four 79xx buses were retired before 2003. I've heard that they started retiring buses from the 76xx-79xx batches in 2004 to make room
  9. I found a city of Ottawa document with a transit bus inventory list as of Dec. 31, 2005 if anyone's interested. For Orion Vs, 26 out of 28 1992s remained active (9238 was one of the first retirements as I had suspected, not sure of the other one). There were 18 out of 25 1991 Vs active (four retired being 9134, 9137, 9138, 9144, not sure about the other three) It looks like they rapidly retired the 1991s because according to a post from April 2006 by user JCL on the CPTDB forum, 9126, 9128, 9143 were the only ones active. A few slight inaccuracies are present in the list. For e
  10. Not able to find a photo, but I did find some more details about 4001. It's the only VI that originally didn't have A/C when production when finished (all future ones did). Instead, it was decided that all future 139 buses would have A/C due to a policy change at the time (around late 1998-early 1999) and 4001 was then retrofitted. It was too late to retrofit the Orion Vs by then as they were already finished and it would take major modifications. I don't even think the Sutrak A/C was still available by then, especially for Orion Vs (Our 1992 Vs were the only Orion Vs produced to ever hav
  11. Also forgot to add that 9250 was also active as of May 21, 2006 but I do not have info on when it retired.
  12. There was a report on the old CPTDB of someone seeing an unrepainted Orion V in February 2006 (he didn't give a fleet number though), so we know that at least one survived until then. I'll give you retirement dates for some Orion Vs that I know of. I'm currently trying to track down the retirements in 2005 and early 2006 as I know what retired in May 2006 and on: 15 Orion V buses remaining in total as of May 21, 2006 (9126, 9128, 9233-9236, 9242, 9244, 9245, 9249, 9252, 9255-9258) 9242, 49, 55, 57 retired May 23, 2006 9233, 9234, 9258 were retired between April 2007 and Jun
  13. 8546 stuck around until April 2007. You're correct about 8553! 8553 got a rebuild in early 2002, while 8546 got a full rebuild around late 2003 if I recall correctly! It wouldn't have made sense for it to retire in 2005 unless it got into a major enough accident. ?
  14. 6380, 6393, and 6402 are back in service. The list of all rebuilds to date is as follows: 6365, 6366, 6374, 6380, 6381, 6385, 6393, 6402
  15. Right now, 4683-4775 are all in service with the exception of 4736 which was delivered the other day.
  16. Anyone who's interested in seeing photos of our first six 2020 double deckers, head on over to @Shane's thread titled "Double Decker Bus Order" on the CPTDB forum. 8161-8166 are here (although not on OC premises) and they're in the new livery. Link to thread here: https://cptdb.ca/topic/19678-double-decker-bus-order/page/48/
  17. Nowhere else to post this but 19 new double deckers are coming to Ottawa soon. 8161-8164 are on their way to Ottawa right now and they were on highway 401 coming from the Greater Toronto Area, according to a Twitter post as well as another forum. I'm not sure what specs these have, but these most likely have the Cummins L9 engine instead of the ISL9s. I don't think they are going for a ZF transmission. These new buses will also be in the new livery.
  18. Looks like Jan 31 was not their last day. 9225 was spotted in service yesterday.
  19. Looks like OC are trying to get as many buses delivered as quickly as possible. By forgoing the padding on seats (which is really a minor issue at worst), Nova can likely get the buses done slightly faster and delivered to them more quickly. Looking back, November 27 to January 13 (today) and we have slightly more than 3/4 of the order in service already. 4734-4736, 4759, 4761, and 4763-4775 are the only ones not in service yet. In comparison, it took 4601-4682 four and a half months (April- late August 2019) to all enter service. That's not a bad guess considering OC had to consider putt
  20. Remember that D40 I was talking about that was used in a mock trial in 2011? Here's the photo if anyone's interested: This photo came from the CPTDB forum by user OC Transpo 8238. You can see that 9215 is totally crushed and only the front end is present.
  21. Add 4746, 4748, 4750, 4751, 4752 to the above list for being active.
  22. List of all buses active: 4683-4724 (most in this range reserved for R1), 4727-4733, 4737-4745, 4747 The list of which buses are dedicated to R1 can be seen a few posts above.
  23. I will say that the Novas seem to be greatly improved over our 1997s, but that ZF transmission I'm just not really into yet. I'm still used to hearing an Allison transmission with the ISL/ISL9 engines in all OC buses. The new batch coming in right now don't have padded seats so I suspect OC Transpo have a reason for skimping... maybe they wanted to save money? It's not like they forgot since they seemed to be aware of it when the first batch came in.
  24. It's been confirmed that the new batch has the same exact seats as the first batch. The padding remains almost non-existent.
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