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1976-1982 : GM New Look

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I cannot believe I missed the GM New Look. Such a iconic bus to OC Transpo and other transit agencies in North America. I would be remiss if I did not make a post about these buses.

Livery and aesthetics: These buses were the last to use the classic red stripe with silverside livery. I admittedly strongly dislike this livery (especially later on) since it just looks so dated now. I much prefer the revision of the red stripe livery (but with a white bottom instead, introduced in 2000) as I found it to be refreshing after them having the same livery for around 30 years or so. I also really like the maple leaf livery as it made the Fishbowls look more modern and fresh.

Engine: These buses came with a 181HP Detroit Diesel 6V71N engine that would later carry on to the GM Classics. Since the Fishbowls weighed less than the GM Classics, these buses accelerated faster and had a slightly higher top speed. The 6V71N engine was really reliable. What more has to be said?

Transmission: The 1976-1982 Fishbowls came with an Allison V730 transmission that was mechanical based. As these transmissions were not computerized, they were reliable and less likely to break down or otherwise have issues.

Riding Experience: These buses sounded great and it was always a pleasure to ride them. The only downside is no A/C but these buses had sliding windows so it compensated somewhat. Seats were great as usual!

Reliability: These buses just kept trucking on for a very long time without any issues. They literally lasted forever at OC! Their longevity shows that they were made to last a long time without any issues and still remain in decent condition. Some even managed to escape rebuild for at least 20 years or more, although most had received two rebuilds throughout their lifespan (once in the mid 1990s, once again in 2001-2003). For example, 7801 never received a rebuild in its lifespan and was retired in its original silverside livery in 2005! Some had needed refurbishment by the mid 1990s, but 12-14 years is still a long time without rebuild regardless! 

 

 

 

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Great resume of the nostalgic NewLook buses. Thank you.

If I remember correctly, most of the ones OC Transpo had were only 3 speed transmissions. Having lived in Orleans long ago, the climb up Duford Street was quite slow (you could walk faster).

An interesting note, I believe I have ridden an STO NewLook (perhaps it was 7901) and it actually had Air Conditioning on it. The air was being sent out by the vents in the sidewall, underneath the windows. There was no roof mounted unit so it must have been integrated in the rear.

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11 hours ago, Shane said:

Great resume of the nostalgic NewLook buses. Thank you.

If I remember correctly, most of the ones OC Transpo had were only 3 speed transmissions. Having lived in Orleans long ago, the climb up Duford Street was quite slow (you could walk faster).

An interesting note, I believe I have ridden an STO NewLook (perhaps it was 7901) and it actually had Air Conditioning on it. The air was being sent out by the vents in the sidewall, underneath the windows. There was no roof mounted unit so it must have been integrated in the rear.

All V730, V731, and VR731 transmissions were three speed.

I liked the New Looks, but I actually preferred the GM Classics over the fishbowls myself mainly due to the updated design. The 1984 GM Classics were basically the OC Transpo 1981-1982 New Looks but refreshed with a new design while still being mechanically the exact same bus (albeit with some very minor differences). The only places where these buses differ is in design such as lack of a complete rear window and two piece doors with treadles instead of four piece doors with treadles and full window on the 81xx-82xx fishbowls. 

Even the 1985 and 1987 Classics were very similar to the latest New Look buses, only difference being differently shaped seat handles on top of each seat, partial rear window instead of full, two piece exit doors, and V731 transmissions instead of the V730 (although being basically an electronically controlled version of the V730 anyway).

But I still respect the New Look for being a very reliable bus as well as serving Ottawa from 1969 until 2007!
 

 

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On 8/1/2019 at 2:01 AM, Shane said:

Great resume of the nostalgic NewLook buses. Thank you.

If I remember correctly, most of the ones OC Transpo had were only 3 speed transmissions. Having lived in Orleans long ago, the climb up Duford Street was quite slow (you could walk faster).

An interesting note, I believe I have ridden an STO NewLook (perhaps it was 7901) and it actually had Air Conditioning on it. The air was being sent out by the vents in the sidewall, underneath the windows. There was no roof mounted unit so it must have been integrated in the rear.

Sorry for the second reply, but I just realized that I forgot to mention that some earlier New Looks had either one or two speed transmissions.

In that case, the 1961-1971 buses had one speed (!) VH transmissions, whereas the 1974-1976 (only up to 7620) buses had two speed VH-9 transmissions. Not sure what the 1972-1973 buses had though. From the later 76xx buses on, OC started specifying three speed V730 transmissions.

Also the New Look served Ottawa from 1961-2007, not 1969-2007! I had forgotten that they preserved 6101.

 

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On 8/2/2019 at 7:33 PM, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

Sorry for the second reply, but I just realized that I forgot to mention that some earlier New Looks had either one or two speed transmissions.

In that case, the 1961-1971 buses had one speed (!) VH transmissions, whereas the 1974-1976 (only up to 7620) buses had two speed VH-9 transmissions. Not sure what the 1972-1973 buses had though. From the later 76xx buses on, OC started specifying three speed V730 transmissions.

Also the New Look served Ottawa from 1961-2007, not 1969-2007! I had forgotten that they preserved 6101.

 

1960-2007. There were 60XX new looks

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3 hours ago, Loud-Invero said:

1960-2007. There were 60XX new looks

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Those were ex-TTC 1959-1960 fishbowls. brought in 1979. They were quickly retired in 1981 so they didn't last long at OC.

 

 

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7284, 7344 and 7350 were retired in 1993. At the same time, buses 7401, 7460 and 7765 were some of those retired before then, as was shown in one guide to urban transit fleets. With 8114 retired in 2006, along with 8106, 8111 and 8238 retired in 2007, I am looking to see which ones that entered service in 1980, 1981 and 1982 were retired in either year. If I am correct, 8113 and 8240 were also retired in 2006.

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The 7xxxs GM Fishbowls all had single exit doors

The 8xxxs GM Fishbowls all had double exit doors (80xxs had the push bars, 81xxs & 82xxs had the treadles)

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After looking through details on when GM Fishbowls that entered service after 1975 were retired, I found out that 8004 might have still been used in the first half of 2007, as was the case with 8008 and 8009. As for 7843, it would have been retired in 2004, unless it was retired any year before it got hauled to a scrapyard.

With any other remaining fishbowls from those years, I am wondering if anyone would know when any of the following buses were retired:

7601-7628, 7630-7647, 7653, 7702-7721, 7731-7736, 7739-7741, 7743-7752, 7754-7756, 7758-7765, 7802-7808, 7811-7815, 7817, 7819, 7821-7822, 7824-7829, 7831-7832, 7834-7842, 7844-7845, 7849 and 7852.

Of those listed above, as far as I know 7716, 7819 and 7838 were retired in 2003, with 7759 most likely retired in 2002.

 

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The last 80XX with the red stripe in the series was 8005

I recall it retired in 2005.

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On 2019-08-07 at 7:51 PM, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

Those were ex-TTC 1959-1960 fishbowls. brought in 1979. They were quickly retired in 1981 so they didn't last long at OC.

 

 

With only a small number of those buses purchased most years before 1972, I figure 6101-6112 were retired in 1980, with 6221-6230 also retired in 1981. If that is the case, those that entered service from 1963 to 1969 would have been fully replaced before 1990. As far as I know, 6338 was retired in 1989 and 6566 was retired in 1982. If anyone knows when those that entered service from 1970 to 1977 started getting replaced by newer buses, that will be helpful in knowing how long they lasted.

Also, I am wondering which one that entered service before 1978 was destroyed in a 1989 crash with a fuel tanker. 

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On 2020-06-16 at 11:35 AM, Ralph Raccoon said:

With only a small number of those buses purchased most years before 1972, I figure 6101-6112 were retired in 1980, with 6221-6230 also retired in 1981. If that is the case, those that entered service from 1963 to 1969 would have been fully replaced before 1990. As far as I know, 6338 was retired in 1989 and 6566 was retired in 1982. If anyone knows when those that entered service from 1970 to 1977 started getting replaced by newer buses, that will be helpful in knowing how long they lasted.

Also, I am wondering which one that entered service before 1978 was destroyed in a 1989 crash with a fuel tanker. 

That would have been 7615. 

I don't know how much this fishbowl list from 2003 will help (credit goes to user MCIBUS on the CPTDB forum), but here it is anyway:

According to this list, there were nine 76xx buses out of 53, 25 77xx buses out of 56, 9 17xx buses out of 12 (although they say 10...), 44 out of 58 78xx buses active, 26 79xx buses out of 30, and all the 80xx buses and up. This means that 44 76xx buses, 31 77xx buses, 14 78xx buses, and four 79xx buses were retired before 2003. 

I've heard that they started retiring buses from the 76xx-79xx batches in 2004 to make room for new Invero buses. About 21 of the 79xx were sold or otherwise retired in May-July 2004 to make room for Inveros (specifically 4212-4231). Same goes for eleven of the 78xx which were pulled off in 2004 to make room for 4201-4211.

 

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