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This is one of the truly unfortunate aspects of the P3 financing/build arrangement. The decision to not connect WEP is, doubtless, contained in a document that no one can see even though the project is built with public monies. The image J.OT13 posted above shows the street access on Queen St. in front of WEP and precisely where the seemingly redundant grill with direct shaftway to now blocked eastern end of the mezzanine below. As I mentioned elsewhere, the City signed 5 MOUs with adjacent owners though only 4--Rideau/CF RIdeau Center (1); Parliament/Sun Life & Heritage Place (2); and Lyon/Place de Ville (1) came to fruition. Again, unfortunately for the public, we seem unable to know why WEP backed out. The station as built indicates there was an eastern exit/ingress designed and roughed in. On a related note, why is it no one can know why the mystery "M" level exists along the existing elevator access to Queen St. in front of Sun Life. This should also be public information, even if it's a future plan to link the elevators to some future development in the Sun Life first level basement

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I agree. We know (through Manconi, OC and the City) that stations have knock-out panels, but they're unwilling to say where and what buildings could be connected.  

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The same applies at Rideau, though I imagine the unable to be viewed MOU already incorporates language for a second entrance to the RIdeau Center nearabouts the Simons/corner of Rideau & Nicholas. Going westbound from uOttawa in the tunnel, from the front of the train it's possible to see the lighted windows of the easternmost portion of the Rideau station mezzanine. I've measured the distances and the current easternmost wall of the mezzanine at the bottom of the William St. entrance (where the ticket machines are located along the north-south wall) is a false wall (a staff member asked me what I was looking at. I mentioned my interest and she confirmed there was a large space behind this wall. Perhaps it's not yet economically viable to connect this entrance through the knock-out wall that one hears exists but, in any case, it's unfortunate the public can't know what's happening with its publicly-financed system financed with 2.1 billion tri-level government monies and debentures and another 885 million organized through the Bank of Nova Scotia that RTG borrowed to put towards the project and which will be paid back with handsome interest over the life of the RTM agreement. It would, for example and just saying, be a good idea if there was a new easternmost entrance on the south side of Rideau at the corner of Nicholas. But who knows when/if that will ever happen even though much of the infrastructure would appear to already be in place

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This is very interesting. These are details I did not know about Rideau.

While it may seem excessive to have two entrances from a shopping centre, there is presidence for this in Toronto at the Eaton Centre. It does in fact have two entrances, not quite at the extremeties but the mall is fairly long and it does help give better access. Rideau is more compact but it would allow better access to the mall and an easier flow through, despite having two entrances link to the same station. At least the elevator entrance provides a second option, one that many many people seem to prefer. I look forward to more discussion on these future potential connections, and those that never happened! Quite fascinating.

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5 hours ago, Shane said:

This is very interesting. These are details I did not know about Rideau.

While it may seem excessive to have two entrances from a shopping centre, there is presidence for this in Toronto at the Eaton Centre. It does in fact have two entrances, not quite at the extremeties but the mall is fairly long and it does help give better access. Rideau is more compact but it would allow better access to the mall and an easier flow through, despite having two entrances link to the same station. At least the elevator entrance provides a second option, one that many many people seem to prefer. I look forward to more discussion on these future potential connections, and those that never happened! Quite fascinating.

I also would love to see that potentially second entrance. The layout of Rideau means you are not only back-tracking, but "going around" if you are on one side of the mall, which makes it "annoying" if, let's say, you want to do a quick stop in the mall. We see it with the elevator access next to EBX, it is always busy because it gets you right in the middle and then you can go eitherway. I understand why Rideau's entrances are placed that way, given, but I also see it as a missed opportunity to make it less crammed on the Rideau side of the concourse given its split nature...

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If you take the elevators at the Joey's/Simons Rideau Center entrance down and check out the parking levels . . . this is all entirely new construction undertaken at the same time as the tunnel was excavated. I believe it's still possible to find Web references to the knock out wall on the south side of the tunnel to give a second access to the Rideau Center. I haven't determined exactly which level in the Rideau Center parking garage --maybe level 4?--that would link to the tunnel mezzanine but I'd venture to say that the new set of double elevators at this Rideau Center entrance likely were meant to do double duty as the vertical transportation from the 2nd. tunnel entrance.

Equally, however, my concern/hope here is just as much about the potential for a second public entrance from the street and not inside a privately owned space (though the Rideau Center is exemplary in this regard in keeping the mall open until the trains stop running, long after the shops have closed for the evening). To some it might seem redundant to have a second public entrance not too far from the RIdeau/William public entrance but research shows the more entrances--the more potential riders see the entrances to the system--the better and more intensely used a station will be. Having a staircase entrance outside the Joey's on the west side of the Nicholas pedmall, and that connects below grade via a VERY short tunnel to the Rideau Center second entrance, would promote greater usage from those coming from east on Rideau and the Sandy Hill side of the street.

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