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Moving Cleary (or now Sherbourne) from underground on the north end of Richmond to the Byron Strip only saved $10 million. I didn't think the savings were so little considering the bid came in at near

I predict that once RTM's contract ends in 30 years or so, most of the stations will need to be rebuilt. Maybe at that time we might see a few fully covered (Tunney's to Lincoln Fields at least).

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Moving Cleary (or now Sherbourne) from underground on the north end of Richmond to the Byron Strip only saved $10 million. I didn't think the savings were so little considering the bid came in at nearly 600 million over the estimate. 

EDIT: Don't know how accurate Leiper's numbers are (or the City's), nut $5 mil of that would have been to reinforce the station box to accommodate a building on top. Isn't that still a consideration with just the tunnel? And even if we had to move the station, could they not have made the new station under the park fully underground, a compromise for residents after years of consultation on an underground station across the street? 

Here's Leiper's thoughts on the station move from March 2019. 

http://kitchissippiward.ca/content/cleary-station-move

Progress pic from the Citizen while we're at it.

 

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The current City administration committed to extensions for which it didn't have the money to implement in a good way, given Ottawa's climate. I also don't understand why Sherbourne and New Orchard aren't enclosed.  But it saves the City money that would be needed to install fans and proper ventilation at these two stations. Though there doesn't 'seem' to be enough money at this point, in the long run the City is going to have to do more to also semi-enclose existing stations such as Hurdman and Blair and uOttawa so that, with (hopefully) increased ridership, the ends of the platform aren't too icy to walk on during freezing rain for e.g. for those having to exit or enter the train from the front or rear doors. (See the caution/slippery floor signs that staff put up at the ends of platforms when, during winter, ice covers the concrete.) I'd say the same will apply to Lincoln Fields--it looks so cheaply built in the renderings but will be a major point of people circulation even though much of the platforms looks to be fully exposed to weather. A similar point can be made for future stations such as Queensview (should be covered but will be in an open pit and likely to be inundated with salt spray from the 417 during winter. Same for all the median stations on the eastern expansion--not enough separation from salt spray due to not being willing to spend the money now to make the system fully reliable and insisting (against all good transit planning) on running the extension down the middle of a freeway, where nobody lives nearby. Instead the thrust is to get the lines as far into the suburbs at the least cost. Of course cost is an important factor in decision making, but too many people, informed by inaccurate, often biased, media content, lament how costly the build has been so far, but if one examines the cost of new transit elsewhere in Canada the Confederation Line has been quite cheap to build, in large part, apart from the downtown tunnel, because of not needing to acquire much land coupled with the fact that the old Transitway was 97% grade- and curve-ready for rail (the exception being the rebuild at Tremblay/Train where they smoothed out the hard curve.

It would be so much cheaper to enclose and even retrofit these stations now, given low interest rates and Federal monies for transit improvement. Unfortunately, all the political effort will go into extending to Barrhaven and Kanata (all to be open air stations) regardless of existing and even serious deficiencies in the current built out

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I predict that once RTM's contract ends in 30 years or so, most of the stations will need to be rebuilt. Maybe at that time we might see a few fully covered (Tunney's to Lincoln Fields at least).

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That's a pretty big statement to make. But judging by how things are going so far it isn't hard to imagine. Splitting concrete, water leaks, smell, dump truck volume of salt....

Very discouraging to see this happening. They have made improvements but it is still lacking in a lot of key areas, especially what affects the longevity of the infrastructure. You'd think they would be interested in keeping things in top condition to save money down the road from expensive and elaborate repairs, but.....

Again, we only see the surface of all of this. Reliability and improvements have been made all over, but seeing deterioration and salt use like we have seen is not encouraging.

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